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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:52:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Jerome S. Colburn" <jscolbur@p...>
To: elfling@egroups.com
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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, =?iso-8859-1?q?Mark?= wrote:

> Can anybody help me out with translating the name
> Elizabeth into Quenya?
> 
> The name translates in English as "God's Oath." 

> Therefore, i think that the genitive case of _Eru_
> should be used, and so we have _Eruo_ for God's.

In a compound we don't need the genitive case marker, if it is genitive.

> For the oath part of it, Cirion's Oath gives us
> _vanda_ as an oath or a pledge. My problem comes in
> trying to put the two of these together into a
> feminine name. Help would be appreciated

So Eruvanda or, with a feminine marker, Eruvande follows naturally.

However, to the best of my understanding Aramaic 'elii+shab`et means "my 
God is whom I have sworn by", which is harder to compress into a 
compound noun for a personal name. We don't know the root for vanda, but 
supposing the preterite stem is *vande, the full sentence might be Erunen 
vandenye. Eruvande might still be a legitimate contraction of it.

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+ Jerome S. (Jeannette E. H.-va verno) Colburn                     +
+ <jscolbur@p...>                                          +
+ Quettanyar lintanootinyallo nai ranuvar Quenyandilive hendennar! +
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